Thursday, December 8, 2011
Judgmental Vegan Nazis
Here are some great videos for all you murder-supporting, corpse-crunching, puss-slurping, beastiality enthusiasts out there whining that vegans are too preachy and judgmental.
"The only reason you feel judged is because you're doing the wrong thing. Everybody judges. Just some pretend they don't. Are you one of them?" -Freelee
"I tell people to give advice and be judgmental because without judgment we don't have any change in society. For evil to flourish, good people must not judge. For evil to flourish, good people must stay silent." -Harley
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Thanks for this Eric! Who can argue with all that solid ranting :D I'm proud to be a judgmental Vegan. Love your work!
Will Tuttle has some interesting work on this (veganism) his work centers around what goes around comes around.
In terms of we confine, extract and torture, and maim, we end up with a culture that subconsciously does these things to itself. He is far better at relating it then I am, his book "The world peace diet" is a good piece on that.
He is basically arguing, and this is a huge oversimplification, that human beings are casting out this huge negative energy over animals. That energy has to go SOMEWHERE, it does, it slams back, in the form of small confined work spaces at pointless jobs, endless confinement at schools, from the effect of confining these animals, it slams back in the form of fat people, from the effect of fattening animals. Literally everything we do to them, ends up happening to us. He draws great very clear lines, some are hard to ignore.
He then goes into commiditization of people stemming from the commiditzation of animals, particularly female animals, and how that manifests in society as a whole.
One solid way this manifests, is the cattle prod invented to herd cows, is now used to herd people by police.
I cannot do his work justice with my words, highly recommended Eric, if you want to look into some great theory on the power relationship between humans animals, and then each other.
Tuttle has the best eastern understanding of what may be going on, and is able to put it in english better then any other author.
"As long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap the joy of love."
—Pythagoras
"Do to others as you would have them do to you."
-Luke
I think both of these statements are dealing with an energy law, that is beyond our scientific comprehension, but is somewhat visible if you know how to look for it.
I tend myself having followed this for some time to see the hindu concept of the "wheel of samsara", the wheel involving the negative treatment of animals is not a good one to be trapped in. I try to extend my compassion to all I see trapped in it, animal and human alike.
I hope I have brought something interesting to the table today. Again, I simply cannot do justice to the spiritual teachers who have taught along these lines with my words.
Thank you for speaking the truth, and for posting these great abolitionist vegan voices. I'm another judgmental, morally superior vegan. We are changing the world. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the comments Freelee and Baron. I've never read that Will Tuttle book but it sounds excellent. I completely agree with your points and you're just being modest as you're definitely good at expressing yourself and making sense of these complicated subjects.
I agree that with knowledge and an easier way to get food, humans should learn to stop eating animals. The fact is, we would not be here today without the flesh and meat of animals. There is no dispute to that. Back in the times of native americans, and far earlier. Man would eat crops and fruits and berries but would be limited in food supply during the winter. I don't think many people realize what their ancestors went through during winter without electricity or heat or shelter or crops to have. They NEEDED to eat animals during cold winters or they would starve to death. You can't eat bananas and apples when bananas and apples don't grow. What do vegans have to say to this argument? I am curious how you think man would have survived 10000 years ago without cooking and eating fish and other animals. I don't believe I am better than animals, in fact I am one of them, and there are countless animals that eat other animals. That said, torturing animals and treating animals poorly is wrong and I will never do that.
I don't think many people realize what their ancestors went through during winter without electricity or heat or shelter or crops to have. They NEEDED to eat animals during cold winters or they would starve to death. You can't eat bananas and apples when bananas and apples don't grow. What do vegans have to say to this argument?
If your only alternative is starving to death, then I'm not condemning anyone for taking the life of another animal. However, for those of us living in most places in the modern world, we have abundant access to fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, and have no reason to have to kill innocent animals simply for survival no matter what time of year it is.
I am curious how you think man would have survived 10000 years ago without cooking and eating fish and other animals.
We're talking about health, not history, but if you want to go there, then research the Inuits who survive mostly on meat, and are all overweight and die 10 years younger than the rest of the Canadian population who have access to fruits and vegetables.
I am curious how you think man would have survived 10000 years ago without cooking and eating fish and other animals.
The history you know is a fraud, and the whole world has digressed-- not progressed unlike what is propagated so the question is actually pointless unless you find out the real history that has been suppressed.
hi eric ... excellent vids once again !! total agreement on your replies !!! i especially love the bottom comment given by anonymous !! wish i could know who that was !!! been busy with my site and now i have some nice catching-up to do here !!! i see some excellent posts !!
peace
robbie.
south africa .... hehehe z.a.
this was great...!
I don't eat animals because I am not overly fond of them.
Keep up the good work Eric!
Thanks Ravi and Robbie :)
For me, it is not easy to be a vegan since i am oppressed when it comes to my diet for i am a minor in USA's machine society. I have tried being a vegetarian, i have tried being a vegan, and i have tried being a raw vegan. With each of my experiments, i found that being a raw vegan is insanely difficult to be since most people in USA have consumed so much animal products. Its been about 9 months since i have given up land animals and i have for the most part boycotted non-organic food. I have been so much healthier and i am trying to minimize dairy. My breakfast these days are raw fruits and occasionally later i can maintain being raw vegan. Alot of the time, i simply do not have access to organic vegan foods. I am progressing into more selfsustainable methods of getting organic vegan food... I find it somewhat offensive when judgmental vegans say if you eat animals, you do not care for animals. I believe if you are aware of the circumstances and detach emotions than you can definitely still be in harmony with nature and respect other spirits/animals while having a mixed diet. Like i said, i do not want to starve from lack of food and in my situation(limited vegan products), this statement is somewhat unconscious to a vast amount of people... I understand the message and i agree that eating animal products is very harmful but for the large amount of people who do not have total access to organic vegan food, this message to me is very obnoxious. There are other ways to awaken people and to make life better than to be ignorant. Please re-direct any negative energy into creating organic sustainable gardens or farms, so that people can have more available vegan choices... To create more positive change in the ways we live, we have to become less dependent on the negative ways...opinions? Peace-AG
Glad to hear you're doing your best to be vegan AG! You say you're a minor, so I assume that means your parents are still paying for your meals? Consider telling them that you have decided to go vegan, and you will no longer be consuming animal products. Ask them please to respect your decision, and if they don't, then refuse to eat the meat and dairy they put on your plate. Tell them you are still hungry and they need to stock the house with more animal-friendly meals. Also remind them that they are forcing you to be an accessory to murder and beastiality every time they expect you to consume that unhealthy food. I doubt they will let you starve and will eventually cater to your compassionate choice.
If you do work and pay for your own meals, then there is no excuse for you not to be able to eat 100% vegan. Millions of people around the world manage just fine to eat 100% vegan diets. You just need to plan ahead more. If you're living in an igloo in Alaska then I understand, but other than that, I'd say you're just making excuses.
I find it somewhat offensive when judgmental vegans say if you eat animals, you do not care for animals. I believe if you are aware of the circumstances and detach emotions than you can definitely still be in harmony with nature and respect other spirits/animals while having a mixed diet.
If I say I care about you, then I eat you, would you find that offensive? Would you find that morally consistent? Notice how you said "detach emotions." This is exactly the moral/emotional disconnect most people have petting Fido under the table while eating Porky for dinner. We're not supposed to "detach emotions" from the suffering we inflict on others through our choices. If butcher's shops had glass walls we'd all be vegetarian. But since they don't, many people are able to "detach emotions" and pretend like their unhealthy dietary choices aren't the result of suffering animals. Again I respect and encourage your desire to stop eating animal products. Please take that extra step past the mixed/flexitarian fence-sitting diet and make the 100% compassionate, healthy choice! Peace
I will see what i can do, thanks for your honest opinion Eric-AG
Also this post is related to health so i guess it is appropriate to bring this up here. I cant seem to find alot of knowledgable people with a problem of mine, so im curious to see if you can answer a question of mine... I went to the the hospital two weeks ago and a nurse told me that i have a heart murmur. I did some research about them and western methods say to go to a doctor and have a bunch of harmful tests taken to find out the severity if the problem. If it is severe, then they have many harmful and overpriced treatments as well as drugs. From what i know is that i ahve had a heart murmur for more than a year and it has severely impacted my life and that it could end up killing me in the next couple of years, if i do not find a way. I have been looking around for hollistic methods to repair my heart and i have found a variety of herbs, nutrients, and healthy methods. I am probably going to do another round of raw veganism for a while because of the health benefits. I am not sure which way i should approach this or if there are any other alternative methods. If you know of any reasonable methods that i could try, please let me know? Peace-AG
Hey AG, my dad used to have a heart murmur which as far as I know has completely gone away since he started cleaning up his diet. Here's someone else with a similar experience:
Raw Vegan for Heart Murmur
Any heart problems I'd associate with blood, veins and arteries. The main thing that clogs your veins and arteries is cholesterol which only comes from meat/dairy. As for blood, clean blood is alkalized and well oxygenated blood so high pH foods and pranayama / chi kung deep breathing in fresh air. If I had any heart problems I would drink alkaline water and green juices, ramp up my daily pranayama practice and make sure, if I hadn't already, to completely cut out meat/dairy. Hope that helps, keep us updated.
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